I had some requests for an update on how the Smart Discipline charts are going. So far they are working great for two of my kids but my spirited and strong willed firstborn, Madeline is in need of the Smart Ass Discipline chart. She’s the child who will find her way around any discipline tactic and she usually wins because she can bring me to the point where I just want to throw up my hands and say, “Okay, you win!” Today she decided to pull out her drama queen get out of jail free card.
She had been holding it together quite well and didn’t get her first X on the chart until yesterday. She took it well. She could see on the chart that she could break six more rules before she would lose a privilege. But today when she received two X’s within five minutes I think she realized how quickly she could rack them up over a week.
It all started with her tripping over our puppy. There was a little blood where she skinned her foot which brought on the drama. She cried and carried on. Even after I cleaned up the scrape, applied a band-aid, and had her lie on the couch with her foot elevated since she was claiming to have sprained it. She did make a miraculous recovery when I mentioned that we could not go shopping if her foot was sprained although I think it left her feeling as though she didn’t get enough attention for her injury. So when her dad gave her an X for leaving her laptop on the couch and then another for yelling at him she felt a need to create some more drama. I guess she was still stewing over the fact that I would not let her eat tomato soup at 9:30 am. I told her that she would have to wait until 11 am since soup is for lunch and that she would have to choose another snack. Normally she would have fought me on the issue but refrained since there was an X at stake.
No soup, a fall with injury, and two X’s within five minutes must have sent her over the edge because the next thing I know she has locked herself in her room. My hubby informed me that she had taken it upon herself to put X’s in all the boxes on her chart. I guess that’s her way of saying, “Screw your stupid chart! What are you going to do now?” I took a deep breath and promised myself to not let her wear me down. So go grab some popcorn and get comfy because what unfolded was pretty dramatic.
Me: Madeline, you know the rule is that only mommy or daddy can manage the chart. You have lost all privileges for breaking that rule.
Madeline: I don’t care. I want to lose them.
Me: Good, because you just did.
The old me would have engaged in a conversation about why she did what she did and why she would want to lose all her privileges. I didn’t bite this time. Instead I walked out of the room. I could hear her flipping the door of the puppy’s crate up and down in hopes that I would come back in and yell at her. I refrained. She must have sat in there for a few minutes trying to think of how she could engage me in her battle of the wills because here she came asking if she could make tomato soup.
Me: No, it’s 10:30. I told you that you cannot have soup until 11:00.
Madeline: Connor can have popcorn. Why can’t I have soup?
Me: Because popcorn is a snack and soup is for lunch.
Madeline: It’s not fair!
Fortunately I was on the phone with my sis at the time. She has on many occasions witnessed how Madeline engages me in this song and dance and how easily I get sucked into the fight. She kept reminding me to just ignore Madeline as she whined. After several minutes of being ignored she announced that she was going to make her soup anyway. She heads off to the kitchen and tells her dad that I said she could have soup.
Me: I did not! She can’t have soup until 11:00.
He sends her to her room for a time out just as the book recommends once all privileges are lost. I was in her room at the time putting away laundry.
Madeline: I don’t want to go in there because mommy is in there.
Me: Too bad. I’m ignoring you anyway until you calm down and stop throwing tantrums.
She throws herself on her bed and has a temper tantrum, rolling around on the bed and screaming at me about how I’m ruining her life. Now all the sheets are off her bed so I tell her to remake her bed.
Madeline: I don’t know how!
Me: Yes you do. Remake it or I will take away the sheets and pillows and you will have to sleep without them. The choice is yours.
Now I’m thinking Oh shit! Only give a consequence that I’m willing to follow through on. Am I willing to follow through on this one?
Madeline: I’ll sleep without them. I don’t care!
I guess I better follow through if she’s going to take me seriously. God, this sucks!
She continues to thrash, scream, and plead. I go about my business and try to look as though I’m ignoring her.
Me: Why don’t you go take a bath to help you calm down.
She likes that idea and runs off to my bathroom. A minute later she returns.
Madeline: There is something gross in the tub! Clean it up!
Oh no she didn’t!
Me: You need to ask nicely. I won’t do anything for you if you talk to me like that.
Hubby: What’s in the tub?
Me: Marigrace took a crap during her bath. I forgot to clean it up.
(They don’t call me slackermommy for nothing!)
Madeline: Ewwww! I’m not cleaning it!
Me: I will clean it when you can talk nice to me.
Madeline (in a smart ass voice): Will you please clean it!
I ignore her. She continues to have a tantrum for several minutes before she finally asks nicely.
Me: Okay then. I’m going to finish putting these clothes away then I’ll get the tub ready.
I obviously didn’t move fast enough (which was only like 10 seconds) because she went back into tantrum mode, stomping her feet and throwing her body around.
Madeline: You’re not doing it!
Me: You have got to get control of yourself.
Madeline: Okay , mommy. (Calm voice) Clean the tub. (Whining, still throwing her body around) I want to take a bath now.
Me: You are not in control. We will discuss this when you are calm.
I leave the room. She continues to stomp her feet and yell that she’s calm. I continue to ignore her. I’m doing my best to not give her an audience. Out she comes with her stuffed dog and pajamas.
Madeline: I’m moving out!
She heads for the front door.
Me: No you aren’t. You are not to leave your room until you are calm.
Surprisingly she went back to her room but not without slamming the door. Ten minutes later she comes out and hugs me.
Madeline: I’m sorry mommy. I’m calm now. I made you something.
So typical of her. Now she’s remorseful and hopeful that apologizing will get her privileges back.
Me: I accept your apology but you still have lost all your privileges.
Madeline: I didn’t mean to put all those X’s. Can’t we start over?
Me: No, Madeline. It is not okay for you to disrupt the family in this way and then think you can have all your privileges back by saying you are sorry. I hope next time you will try harder to control your temper.
Madeline: I’ll try. I’m going to go take a shower now.
She emerged from the shower as sweet as can be and finally got her soup at 11:30. The next two hours she was a dream child. I made sure to point out her good behavior and give positive messages to her just as was suggested in the book. She played nice with Isabelle as they made a tent which gave me a chance to reflect on what had happened and what I should do differently. I was better about not giving her tantrum so much attention but I could have ignored her behavior more. I should have not stayed in the room during her timeout. The laundry could have waited. See what happens when I try to be organized? I should have just left the laundry on the couch where it usually is. Suggesting a bath to help her calm down was probably not a good idea either. Especially since I had left a couple turds in it.
Just as I’m enjoying some peace and quiet Madeline shows up to inform me that she accidentally watched a little bit of a movie. What the hell is wrong with this kid?
Me: How do you accidentally watch a movie?
Madeline: It was in my laptop. I was going to listen to music.
Me: Madeline, you know you aren’t to be on your computer. Bring it up to me, now!
Madeline: Can’t I just listen to music?
Me: No! Now you’ve lost that privilege.
She attempts to protest. I give her the hairy eyeball and yell, “Get it now!”
She scurries downstairs. A few minutes later Isabelle appears with the laptop.
Isabelle: Madeline sat on my head! I couldn’t breathe!
Me: She did what?! Madeline, why would you do that?
Madeline: She wouldn’t bring up the computer for me.
Me: GO TO YOUR ROOM!
At this point I just want to throw a tantrum myself. Where did I go wrong with this child? I know this can’t be normal nine year old stuff. My other kids don’t take things as far as she does. Should I take her back to doctor? Or has she gotten so used to pushing my buttons until she gets her way that challenging her causes her to take things to another level in an attempt to get her way? Will holding our ground eventually cause her to behave better? I’m at such a loss and I feel so defeated.
Madeline manages to stay quietly in her room for about five minutes before she starts her crap.
Madeline: I’m hungry! Can’t I eat something?
Me: No. You are staying in there until we leave for church.
Madeline: How long is that?
Me: 45 minutes.
She begs and pleads. Screams and yells.
I ignore her.
Madeline: You are the worst mother! I hate you! You are stupid!
She slams the door. I found her asleep when I checked on her fifteen minutes later. I will have to wake her up for church. This is going to be interesting. I’ll keep you posted. Right now I have to go pluck all the gray hairs I grew today. And clean poop out of the tub.
Just another day of an exhausted slacker mom trying to figure out how to parent and discipline a spirited strong willed child with ADHD. Wish me luck!
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Beth
September 8th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
I think it sounds like you did a great job! Keep it up. I have 10 yr. and 7 yr. old daughters and they try my patience more than I would like them to as well. But tough love is still the best kind in my opinion!
Angie
September 8th, 2007 at 9:46 pm
I am totally looking in to the book you are referring to in the post.
Will it work on toddlers?
I have two toddler girls, and I want to make sure I am ready for the next 20 years.
You get an A for effort!
Pgoodness
September 8th, 2007 at 9:53 pm
Wow - I think you did a FABULOUS job! Keep up the good work - it can’t get worse, right?
Rebecca
September 8th, 2007 at 10:08 pm
Kristie, good job and keep it up! Just when you are at your frustration limit is right when you need to stay on track. When kids are testing their limits is when they need them the most. And you’re right– if you make a consquence, follow through on that consequence. Even if it means no sheets or pillows. . . And, I gotta tell you, whenever my clients have told me that their kids say “I hate you; you’re the worst mom ever” is when I tell them that it means they’re doing a good job as a parent. They’re setting boundaries and limits and sticking to them. On a last note– make sure to have some ‘me time’ in all of this. It’s the only way you’ll be able to be the mom you want to be.
Blue Momma
September 8th, 2007 at 10:25 pm
I’m with Angie - A for effort!
I’m also so afraid you’re writing my script for the next decade of my life. I have a three year old boy and he is already pulling some of the same stunts as your daughter.
Life will be interesting around here for a while, I have no doubt…
Keep setting the good example for me, OK?
daisyaday
September 8th, 2007 at 11:14 pm
Patience and consistency have won many power struggles. Disengaging is one of the secrets. Sounds like you are off to a great start.
She will test you to see if you really mean what you say, but if you are consistent, things will begin to change.
Way to go!
Sierra
September 9th, 2007 at 12:41 am
Madeline sounds a LOT like me. I did the same outrageous things when I was younger. Hell, sometimes I’m still outrageous. I think it has a lot to do with not being able to express my intesity.
It took me a LONG time to find appropriate outlets, and I am still working on it, but the thing that helped me the most was my mom. She always pointed out the bright side of things (even my tantrums) and stuck to her guns. She taught me that my frustration was a sign of passion and character, and that it was in my best interest to find socially acceptable outlets for that.
When Madaline finds the right outlets for her intensity, she will have limitless power and you to thank for it.
Know that by sticking to your guns, you are the most powerful influence in preparing her for that.
temporarily me (sam)
September 9th, 2007 at 5:47 am
Nice work K! You’re doing great, and it’s really a learning process for all of you.
I got tired just reading that post.. and you have THREE other children to watch in the process. Mad props to you Kristie!
Kuwaitia
September 9th, 2007 at 8:30 am
I don’t know how you do it! It sounds like you are doing everything that should be done. I think it’s like therapy. As you get into the nitty gritty it gets harder and feels worse. But, as you stick with it and keep going, everything seems to get better. Good luck!!
BarnGoddess
September 9th, 2007 at 8:41 am
whew, Im wore out after reading that but I know exactly how it is….it is so hard to keep control as a parent when the kid act like that.
Sometimes the only thing that saves me from being a ranting, raving, crazy mother is stepping outside away from the brats and yelling.
good thing thing I dont have any neighbors!
carosgram
September 9th, 2007 at 10:20 am
It’s hard to be a slacker mom with a child like Madeleine. She’s got you working overtime. LOL
The "Mind"
September 9th, 2007 at 12:41 pm
The only thing I would have done differently is I would not have woke her for church. But, I’m also not managing an ADHD child. When my kids have acted out like that…no wait, when my youngest has acted out like that…it’s been because he’s overtired. And obviously at that point the best thing is to allow them to sleep it off.
Stick to your guns, she will learn.
Summer
September 9th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
Your perserverance in a situation like that is to be commended.
Don’t give up. It may take a lot of patience on your part, but if you’re consistent she’ll catch on and her inappropriate behavior wil lessen.
A Buns' life
September 9th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
You totally rock! I’ve heard that it will get worse before it gets better and you passed all of her tests!! It shows the other kids that you are serious, and I’m willing to bet you only have a few more of those extremes and then she will realize you really do mean what you say. Hopefully she won’t have to lose everything again, at least until she wants to see if you have softened.
Hang in there! I’m anxiously waiting for my book to get here, Olivia needs a serious attitude adjustment.
Deb
September 9th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
We used to use the charts, but the teachers felt that Visual aids were those ages 15months-4years or those who couldnt communicate well. Anyway, we now have a CU system, which they also have at school. A green, a yellow and a red cup, stacked on top of each other. The green on the top, then yellow then red! If the cup stays on green all day, then they get a star, and at the end of the week if the chart has ALL stars, they get a special day activity, seems to be working well for now.
Lawyer Mama
September 9th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
Well it certainly sounds like you’re doing the right thing!
Ruth Dynamite
September 9th, 2007 at 6:26 pm
For the record, you’re no slacker mom, Kristie. Not one bit.
Few moms could do what you do. I hope you realize that. Your daughter sounds like a smart, vibrant, spirited child. You’re doing great and so will she.
Mamma
September 9th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
Oh boy am I sorry. I’m exhauted just reading that.
You’re doing the right thing though. I’m glad you gave us an update.
And you know she’s going to grow up to be some major talent and will thank you on TV as she accepts an award telling the world what a saint you are for making it through her childhood.
Melissa
September 9th, 2007 at 9:13 pm
Hang in there! Kids always dig their heels in deeper when you buckle down on them. It’ll get a little tougher before it gets better, but it will get better.
Jaelithe
September 9th, 2007 at 9:21 pm
Woah– I am amazed you keep any semblance of sanity dealing with this kind of drama plus the other three kids on a regular basis.
(And I am sending a mental apology to my own mother, as putting Xs on the chart myself is something I totally would have done at that age. I HATED having new rule systems imposed on me. I always felt like it was unfair when the rules of the house got changed. I never stopped to think that I might have created a situation where the rules HAD to be changed, heh.)
I actually think that suggesting she take a bath to calm down was a good idea (regardless of the present the baby left, hehe). You know that Madeleine suffers from attention issues that she can’t control, and that she has a hard time keeping her emotions in check; I think telling her to take a bath was a fair way of acknowledging the difficulty she was having staying in control while not condoning her behavior by any means.
Then again, what do I know? My kid is three. The things I have to look forward to . . .
QT
September 9th, 2007 at 9:22 pm
Holy…balls….!!!!
I think you did great, K. Really. She pulled out ALL the stops, so how could you have known today would be the day?
Also, I am PRETTY sure when I was nine I was putting away my own damn clothes! Maybe she needs more to do around there. I was an oldest, and a strong willed little bee-yatch, and I did nothing but work work work.
Keep it up, Kristie. She is starting to feel the regime change, that is why she is doing this.
Jaelithe
September 9th, 2007 at 9:23 pm
Ooops, sorry. Meant to type Madeline. I am addicted to the French spelling of that name
Lisa
September 9th, 2007 at 9:24 pm
You both had a rough day, eh? I can see why you were just drained.
Yeay for school, eh? heehee.
Gnome
September 9th, 2007 at 9:25 pm
As you know I am a mom with an 11 year old girl with ADHD. You just described my weekend! Hang in there girlie! We are all struggling with things like this and you are doing great!
Suburban Oblivion
September 10th, 2007 at 5:06 am
Wow, what a trying morning!! Hope the day got better!
Maggie
September 10th, 2007 at 8:24 am
Sounds to me like you did a good job!
Farrell
September 10th, 2007 at 11:46 am
Drama queen? The women of my house (my daughter, me, even the dog) DEFINE drama queen.
You just gave me a glimpse of EXACTLY what I’m in for if I don’t keep Sophie (age 3) in check FROM NOW ON. Because all of that stuff that Madeline was doing? The stalling, the tantrums, etc.? Yeah. Welcome to my life.
I am saving this post to look at when I want to be weak but I have to be strong.
Also: YOU DID GREAT!!! Keep it up! It’s hard I know it’s hard and I’m sure it’s 10x harder when you have 3 others wanting your attention too but you are doing so good!
PS - You are more than welcome to come over for a glass of wine or a fifth of vodka to share with me anytime. Even before 11. We can call it our “snack.”
Honeybell
September 10th, 2007 at 12:25 pm
My husband and I use a very similar approach with our boys. It DOES work, but often things get worse before they get better (as they test your limits and find out if you are for real).
Sounds like you are doing fantastic!!
pinks & blues girls
September 10th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
Oy. I’m drained for you!
Jane, Pinks & Blues Girls
Erin
September 10th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
So refreshing to hear that another mom forgets about the poop in the tub. I guess I am a slacker mommy too. Good luck getting through the next few days.
Worker Mommy
September 10th, 2007 at 2:01 pm
Holy hell that wore me out just reading it. I’m sure it was beyond exhausting living it.
Good for you for sticking with it though. My biggest problem is not being consistent/not following through.
Burg
September 10th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Ah… Parts of this sound like the tantrums my oldest throws.. It sounds to me like you are doing a good job. I have to ignore mine too. Geez.. This is the part of parenting that had some fine print cuz I don’t remember signing up for it!
Blog Antagonist
September 10th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
Heh. Been through that scenario more times than I even want to admit. Spirited children can really take it out of you. When I’m at the end of my rope, Diminutive One’s therapist sometimes reminds me that the behavior that makes him challenging now, will make him enormously succesful as an adult. Persistence, perserverence, single mindedness and goal orientation. I choose to believe her.
Good luck and lots of empathy from a Mom who has been there.
Kristin
September 10th, 2007 at 7:49 pm
It sounds exhausting but on track… good for you for staying calm and focused!
shauna
September 10th, 2007 at 11:35 pm
Wow! I am bowing my head in reference for your Mother-Hood! (You did a fabulous job! It’ll pay off eventually–I’m sure.) I’m going to have to buy this book.
Jenn
September 13th, 2007 at 10:01 am
Wow, you get a big mommy kudos from me! I would have had a tantrum back at her tantrum and then sent both of us to our rooms!